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Virginia Postrel's avatar

Joint filing is the norm in the U.S. Here's an explanation of the history and tradeoffs:

https://www.vpostrel.com/articles/marriage-penalty-taxes-women-for-working

How did marriage and taxes form their unholy union? As public-finance economists point out, most Americans want the tax system to do three things: to be progressive, to treat households with the same incomes equally, and to treat all individuals with the same incomes equally, whether or not they're married.

The problem is, we can have any two of those things at the same time, but not all three. No matter how often politicians and various interest groups suggest otherwise, no technical fix can eliminate the marriage penalty while preserving progressive taxation and "horizontal equity."

Related report on empirical work: https://www.vpostrel.com/articles/tax-system-discourages-married-women-from-working

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shubh's avatar

>So there may well have been some matrilineal tribe where women had high status in their village

Is it gender equal or unequal when women have higher status? Is the inequality function max(0,men's status - women's status)?

(Making the very simplifying assumption that 'status' can be reduced to a scalar value)

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Chuck Flounder's avatar

What does it mean when she says that orthodox Jews average six women per child? Does she mean six children per woman? Or am I missing something about communal social structure?

Also, kudos to you guys for managing to get through a very thoroughgoing chat about feminism without really acknowledging the most oppressive anti-feminist [and anti-Enlightenment] force in the world today, which is...wait for it...Islam! Not "radical Islam," but garden-variety Islam.

It's like having an hour-long conversation on the dysfunctional aspects of Italian politics without ever once mentioning the N'Drangheta. Bravo! [standing ovation] Because if there's one thing both mafia types and Muslim types really can't stand, it's any sort of criticism. It tends to make them violently vindictive, as Salman Rushdie learned the hard way.

And I would also like to congratulate you for glossing over the fact that of all the women in the world, it's really only Israeli women who possess the--ovarian fortitude?--to not only call out the evils of Islam as the global threat that they are, but to fight them in the only language that they really understand: Molten lead to the dome.

I must say, you guys did a fantastic job in addressing a hot topic while studiously omitting the elephant in the room--because we want to stand up for our values, but we don't want to end up like Salman Rushdie, do we?

As an encore, why not interview Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and make this a more multicultural affair? She ticks all the boxes your audience would appreciate. Unfortunately, she talks very much in the manner of Israelis, so I don't know if y'all would be speaking the same language, capisce?

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shubh's avatar

Without ever once mentioning?

>and maybe that could have gotten suffocated, say by the Iranian Islamic Revolution, right?

>I’m like, wait, marriage is declining in Turkey and Iran and the US!

It does not seem like Islam is some global driving force of increasing gender inequality with an impact that would merit a paragraph's worth of mention in this podcast.

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Chuck Flounder's avatar

I thought that was an oblique reference, but I guess I should have phrased it differently. The suggestion that it's only a problem in Iran is a massive deflection. I'm still trying to figure out why so many self-professed feminists are so quiet about the absolute-bar-none worst religion in the world for women's rights--perhaps because the very same religion has a penchant for attacking its critics violently.

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